clapper, head of all the energies services? why did he get confronted with basically a request to resign? how did that happen if this wasn't criminal, what he was doing? >> because he wasn't on active duty, and, of course, in the military under the uniform code of military justice, marital infidelity is a criminal offense. not so in -- >> even for retirees i understand. >> well, not if you're retired. you're no longer under the code of military justice. >> well, i just got a different reading on that. i just got a different reading on that ten minutes ago but maybe you're right. >> so the lawyers can fight over this, chris. you're right. but the larger point is that the shame that he feels he's brought upon himself and his service trumps any legal niceties, and he i'm sure felt that he had to resign because he'd really violated the trust that everyone in the military had in him, even though he was retired. don't forget that he was -- go ahead, chris, i'm listening. >> the other general allen who is now leading our services is a